"The Margolis Incident"

I’m sure by now many have been waiting to hear my account of what happened last night in Boston, while Bush was holding a fundraiser.

As you might know, I live near Boston, and when I found out Bush was going to be in the city, I was very excited. I had planned with a few friends of mine (most of them I met through Free Republic) to go down to show our support for President Bush.

I had a wooden stick with some Bush-Cheney ’04 rally signs secured to it, and an “I Blog For Bush” sign with a “Massachusetts is Bush Country” sign on the reverse side.

My brother Aaron and I arrived at the intersection of Arlington and Boylston Streets around 5:15pm. The anti-Bush crowd was out in full force. They weren’t necessarily Kerry fans, but they included environmental activists, union workers, anti-war protesters, and plenty of other interesting types.

Aaron and I joined up with our group of friends who were already there. There was about nine of us. Now, keep in mind, we were not the only Bush supporters there – there was in fact a sizeable number of College Republicans there, who we had been with but got separated from, as Tyler from Pardon My English, who was part of my group notes:

The local group of FReepers got separated from the main group of Bush supporters. The main group included about 45-60 College Republicans (hailing from Emerson, Emmanuel, Tuft’s, Harvard (I was shocked, too), Boston University, and Boston College). The FReepers, all 9 of us, were on the other side of a wall of union members. The union members let their true colors shine when they started making gay jokes. Yes…the people who are protesting Bush, who opposes gay marriage, were making gay jokes. It didn’t end with gay jokes, they also tossed out the incest, Oedipal incest, and pedophilic jokes. They were classy people.

I started out close to the barricades completely surrounded by union workers and other anti-Bush protesters who were clearly not thrilled by my presence. I am not exaggerating when I tell you, at times, it did not feel safe. Between anti-Bush protesters who were attacking us verbally, to those who made many attempts to block or steal my sign, they did everything they could to make us feel unwelcome.

My response was consistent throughout the night. When someone tried to grab at my sign, or tell me to leave, I would tell them “I support your freedom of speech, please support mine.” The usual response involved a barrage of profanities and threats of physical violence. But we gave our chants and were not deterred.

Fellow FReeper, known as Little Bill, had this to say (edited for clarity):

At first things went well chants of “Four More Years” met by “No More Years”, the usual stuff. That is until a group of Iron Workers, Local 7, infiltrated the crowd and started pushing the pro Bush people away from the barrier blocking the street.

As we were standing further back, an Iron Workers Union member began taunting us. He had perched himself up on the rails of the entrance to the train stop. He stood several feet above us, looking down and screaming. Just about any insult in the book was thrown our way. I said to him, “Why don’t you stop yelling at us and come down here so we can have a conversation?”

Perhaps it wasn’t wise to engage him, but I knew he was not interested in having a discussion. He just wanted to be hateful, rude, and uncivil. I challenged him a few times to come down, but he rebuffed the offer.

My group stood together as we cheered for President Bush and took on the verbal abuse from the union workers who were surrounding us.

It was around this time that the “brawl” (which one commenter on Blogs For Bush has dubbed “The Margolis Incident”) occurred:

Here is Tyler’s telling of the brawl:

The scuffle started when union members, specifically the steelworkers, jumped down from the ledge they were standing on and attacked members of the pro-Bush crowd. Those members of the pro-Bush crowd that got the brunt of the attack were Aaron, Matt, and FReeper James; but everyone in the immediate area got a bit of it. The tentative list of injuries includes a bruised knee, sprained (or at least hurt) wrist, scrapes to the face, broken glasses, and a scraped hand (ok, that last one isn’t as impressive) – we’ll have to see what shows up in the morning.

It all happened very fast – but at the same time, seemed to happen in slow motion. I remember being with everyone cheering for Bush, and the union worker had been engaging us, and Aaron had also exchanged some words with him, then the guy just jumped down and charged at Aaron. He took a swing at him (missing his face by a hair – knocking off his glasses) and then everything just exploded. I went right for that guy and jumped at him, getting a few punches in before I got tackled (presumably by another union worker), and got thrown to the ground. I ended up getting my face slammed down and held to the ground. I believe someone got him off of me and I got back up as the altercation was broken up.

We were not broken up by the Boston Police Department. However, after being consulted with medics and being accosted by members of the Lawyers’ Guild, the police did show up and from that point on we had their protection.

In the end, James got his glasses smashed; Aaron took a punch or two, I got a scrape on my face and my knee – we all got roughed up a bit. In the end, it got broken up before anyone got really hurt. So to clear things up – I was not “beat up,” we are all okay and we stood our ground after things calmed down. We did not retreat, we responded with stronger chants in support of Bush. All in all, I had a great time.

I will postpone my account of the rest of the evening – Tyler covered it pretty well in his post, and I’m sure this weekend I’ll be able to get into the evening as a whole on my personal blog. I will tell you now that the arguments of the Left were nothing more than constant cursing, personal attacks, and accusations against us of being a rich trust-fund babies, amongst other things.

I would like to say that I think it is horribly sad that anyone would resort to violence because they disagree with someone. I came to the event as a Bush supporter wanting to express that support. It is horrifically un-American to threaten, intimidate and assault another person because of who or what they support. I will always stand up for what I believe in – if I risk getting hurt then so be it. I wholeheartedly believe that George W. Bush is the only choice for leading this country down the right path.

I did fear for my safety – but I can’t understand why I should have felt that way. It is clear that the mindset of the anti-Bush crowd is not one of tolerance, diversity, peace or non-violence.

I go into the city of Boston often, and I wear my Bush-Cheney ’04 button proudly. I will continue to do so. The intolerance of others only reaffirms my beliefs. I learned a lot from this experience, and it’s helped me refocus my goals – and I understand now more than ever just how important it is for Bush to be reelected. After I post this, I will donate $104 to the Bush-Cheney ’04 campaign. I urge anyone else who can donate to the campaign to do so as well.

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Cross posted at Blogs for Bush.

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186 thoughts on “"The Margolis Incident"

  1. This week on Fox: When Liberals Attack!

    Seriously, though, has anybody else noticed the excess of testosterone going around the few white males left in the Democratic Party? I mean, we got Al Franken body slamming LaRouchies (not that there’s anything wrong with that), challenging Rich Lowry to a bare-knuckle brawl (in a parking garage no less), Michael Signer’s editorial in yesterday’s USA Today urging Democrats to be tougher (in the macho sense), an elderly woman getting trampled at the NYC anti-war march….

    You get the feeling it’s overcompensation?

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  5. Thank God you are OK. Please be careful, and God bless you, guys! If you are planning on any actions, please let us know and we might join you.

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  7. Hitler had his beliefs, just like Matt has his. Sometimes violence is the only way to show people how devastatingly bad their ideas are. When society is so distraught about policy that individuals feel the need to take violent action, revolution is not only expected, but neccessary. I’m no union man, but I’d have probably taken a swing at you too.

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  9. Late Final

  10. “1 Hot Dem”–What a pathetic piece of tripe! “Hitler had his beliefs…” How f’ing lame! Well, guess what? Gandhi had his beliefs. MLK Jr. had his beliefs. Why don’t we just lump them in with Hitler, too, and that will justify violence anytime and everywhere against everyone you don’t like! You’re a simple-minded thug if you think violence is a viable substitute for debate. You bring up Hitler as a bad example and then voice your support for the very same tactics Hitler and his stormtroopers thugs used–and you can’t even tell the difference! Do the world a favor: don’t breed.

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  14. The Waterglass

  15. 1 Hot Dem: Interestingly, Henry Ford’s anti-union henchman, Harry Bennett, would agree wholeheartedly with your statements. Perhaps you’ve never heard of him. He was the one who okayed the brutal assault on UAW organizers (including future UAW President Walter Reuther) by Ford-hired goons in the infamous “Battle of the Overpass” at the Rouge plant on May 26, 1937. Obviously, you would have approved of his actions…

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  17. hey Matt
    the dems lost my vote 4 years ago, when, inspired by a Berkeley bumper sticker,’Question Authoruty’. I began to question the so-called ‘authority’ of the liberal left, that thought of itself as compassionate. I have met more arrogant,self-righteous, and nasty lefties than I ever have met on the right. Growing up I was a leftie while my mom was a Republican – she had more compassion on a day to day basis than any liberal I met. They only knew how to talk the talk. I was duped for years by them. Unions leaders (not necesarilly members) are thugs and bullies. They used to come around to her little ice cream shop and bully her because she wasn’t ‘union’. She gave jobs to more teenagers so they could earn money for college, because she never got to go. One of her young employees grw up to work in the diplomatic services. It was a big day in our small town when he came to visit, and he came by to thank her for helping and encouraging him.
    All power to you, Matt, and your courageous work.

  18. A Small Victory

  19. Ernst Rohm, Hitler’s SA chief, used to tell his bully boys: “Find the leaders of the opposition, start an incident, hurt them, then blame them.” That sounds like DNC policy in this election. I mean, look at what Al Franken(stein) did to a Dean supporter, and it was taken in stride by the Dim-O-cRatik milieu.

    Nice Blog… it’s now on my “read” list. I was linked from Black-Five.

  20. Say Anything

  21. Wow. I wonder if that was before or after I stopped and asked you guys about blogs for Bush. (Not sure if you remember me — the chick in running gear w/ VERY short hair, in a hurry, and asking you about your blog) I’m thinking before, because when I walked through, there were a couple of polices officers near the barricade where you guys were.

  22. Quit your whinning, pussy. I didn’t hear any outrage from you or the Fox News gang when a group of GOP operatives swarmed the Miami Dade vote-counting center and beat people up (their idea of a fair fight was 20 against one then).

  23. Matt — no. I was blissfully unaware of union thugs at that moment, I was in a hurry to get home and had forgotten about the probability of protesters along my walking route. I just stopped and asked you ‘which blog?’ because I didn’t realize that your sign actually listed the blog. 🙂 However, had I been aware of the union thug, I would have told you to ignore him and not allow yourself to be baited, because, really, no good can come of it.

  24. Matt,
    Quickly tried to find your e-address, but no luck. I’m strongly anti-Bush, (basically) a liberal, and about 75% a Democrat, and I am appalled by and furious what happened to you. I don’t have a considered position on collective guilt and apology, but, to the extent that it is in my power, let me apologize for the actions of the anti-Bush thugs who attacked you. For what it’s worth and for what good it will do, I posted a message in support of you on my blog and am urging others on my side of the fence to do so as well. There is simply no excuse for political violence of this kind. This should serve as a reminder to even the most ardent Democrats that there are a lot of bad people on our side (too (of course)). It sounds to me like you acquitted yourself well. I fervently hope that the anti-Bush goons who attacked you are regretting it today and nursing some injuries of their own. Oh, yeah–and I hope they realize the error of their ways, too. But mostly I hope they’re banged up.

  25. Silent Running

  26. Winston,

    I appreciate your condemnation of the violent actions my group became victim to. I like to believe that even people who srongly disagree with eachother can engage in civil debate.

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  28. What a disgusting display. I’m horrified that anyone would turn to violence instead of rational debate, and I’m sorry that you had to end up in a brawl like that.

    I only ask that you not assume that the actions of these bullies speak for everyone in the left. I consider myself left of center, but would never have anything to do with that kind of behavior. In fact I don’t know anyone in the left or right want anything to do with it.

    We all need to calm down and see what the hell this constant partisanship is doing to us. I’m not here to convert anyone to the left, I’m not here to be converted to the right — I’m here to say “Hey, you know what? We can work together, even if we have different opinions.” I’m sick of politics devolving into a baseball team where we all root for the home team. Nobody’s a winner, we all lose.

    I certainly hope your scuffle left no permanent damage, and that it will never happen again.

  29. Talk about shameful behavior from those ironworkers. Tell ya what. If you’re going to be in D.C. sometime soon, feel free to drop me a line. We can go to Starbucks, have lattes, and discuss the exploitation of the proletariat by the bourgeois overclass … or the government’s continued insistence on forcing the hard-working successful to subsidize the lifestyle of the lazy indolent.

    –|PW|–

  30. Seth Morabito, I agree with you. George Washington warned us about what would happen if we formed political parties. Everyone takes a side. What happened to Matt is horrific. We have to get over our differences and work together.

  31. What exactly were you “patriots” saying to these “commies”, “sheeple”, “mindless”, “thugs”, “fools”, “dykes”, “pillow biters”, “bench rats” that got them so angry that they’d want to attack you?

    Was it anything like this?

    “Fuckin Leftist traitors break the law and think they should get away with it?! FUCK YOU YA GODDAMN LEFTIST PUKES AND DON’T EVEN THINK OF FUCKING WITH FREE REPUBLIC MOTHERFUCKERS!
    WE WILL BEAT YOU DOWN IN THE STREETS NEXT FALL!!!!”

    Or this :

    “DO NOT IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS LEFTIST OUT ON THE STREET YOU PIECE OF SHIT OR YOU WILL BE BEATEN UNCONSCIOUS YOU GODDAM ENEMY OF AMERICA!!!!!”

    Cause sometimes freepers use that kind of language when talking to people they don’t agree with … and that’s not exactly the kind of language that one would use, if one wasn’t trying to start a fight.

  32. I learned about this incident from Winston Smith’s blog, and I want to apologize to you for what happened, since I’m a member of the party those ignorant jerks seem to think they support – although they’ve made it clear that they’re utterly clueless as to what democracy is about. Here’s hoping they leave the Democratic party and register Republican – I sure don’t want them anywhere near me. (but then you probably wouldn’t be thrilled to have them either…)

  33. “me talk pretty” – it hardly matters if the “patriots” were verbally abusing the “commies”, this doesn’t excuse it. And there’s a time for a behavioral “compare and contrast”, but this isn’t it. This is one incident, where people on “our side” behaved inexcusably, and in a way that’s completely against what I believe we stand for. And we’re currently having this discussion in the [morally]injured party’s home.

    The way to deal with abusive speech (IF such occurred) is to tape and publicize it, not to assault the speaker.

  34. We have only your side of this story. In the newspaper article, someone you were fighting with claims that one of you verbally instigated the fight. From your description of the fight, it sounds like a fairly minor scuffle — after that first guy attacked your brother, you jumped him, and then the fight was broken up (by the surrounding union demonstrators, apparently) and you were held down until things were over. No one was beaten. Let me be clear — whoever in fact instigated this was clearly wrong and deserves to spend a few nights in jail. But overall it sounds like a minor incident, of the type that would normally make page A-37 as one sentence in a roundup of police reports, together with a drunk driving stop and someone getting thrown out a bar. The cops didn’t bother to make any arrests.

    But we can already see this incident getting blown up by the right wing blogsphere and the likes of Rush Limbaugh into a general attack on “liberal violence”. Why would they be doing that? Well, it seems pretty clear to me. Conservatives in this country are at this point more violent and intolerant than liberals. To start with, their rhetoric is much more violent. Every time I turn on right wing talk radio I hear people like Hilary Clinton called a “traitor” (with the commentator helpfully adding that the punishment for that crime is death), statements that liberals in general are on the side of terrorists and Osama Bin Laden, people like Congressman McDermott called spies and traitors, etc. Rush Limbaugh regularly says that liberals hate America and are consciously trying to destroy it. All this stuff is a direct instigation to violence. Compare Ann Coulter’s rhetoric to, say, Al Frankens — Franken is a humorist who does not portray his opponents as criminal traitors. In Florida in 2000, it was the Republicans who used violence to intimidate polling workers, not the Democrats. I know a number of people who were roughed up far worse than you were at anti-war rallies. (Political violence can come from the cops as well).

    So my guess is that the Republican right is revving up the propaganda machine in case a little violence actually is called for during the next election cycle. Some excuses are needed to feed the right wing zealots’ perpetual sense of victimization. Nothing like a sense of being under threat to egg people on to their own violence. If you are genuinely concerned about political violence in this country, I’d look to the right, not the left. Even if you might be able to find a drunk asshole or two among a giant left-wing crowd if you look hard enough.

  35. In Florida in 2000, it was the Republicans who used violence to intimidate polling workers, not the Democrats

    An example of that would be?

    Did you really expect us to buy that sight unseen?

    Idiot.

  36. it hardly matters if the “patriots” were verbally abusing the “commies”

    you’re right. it doesn’t excuse it. in an ideal world, Americans of all stripes would respect each other and would realize that the differences between them are so small that violence is a ridculous approach to solving differences of opinion.

    but, when someone proudly associates themselves with a group of people, (freepers) whose members regularly and explicity call for violence against people who disagree with them, finds themselves in the middle of (gasp) a violent confrontation, there’s really nothing to be wound up about about here.

    we should all be thankful that nobody was “BEATEN UNCONSCIOUS” or “BEATEN DOWN IN THE STREET”. maybe next time.

  37. Who Tends the Fires

  38. Can you clarify something for me? Were you and your brother close to the other combatants? Did one person invade another’s physical space before the actual flying of fists?

    I’m more than a little disappointed in the “liberals” here.

  39. Yeah, right, like your account isn’t self-serving or one-sided. I’m sure you didn’t do or say anything to provoke a fight. Poor little innocents. Right…

  40. Ironic that republicans cry fould over censorship. Remember Ari Fleischer telling people to watch what they say and do after 9/11?

    And wasn’t that Bush just hee-haw funny the other night cracking jokes about missing weapons of mass destruction. Is he that out of touch or just callous and mean?

  41. A Small Victory

  42. Oh how exciting! The mean union guys pushed and shoved us. We were assaulted! Hey they broke our glasses! No fair! Now mummy and poppy will have to increase our allowance! You pathetic pussies. The Ironworkers were very gentle with you, my guess is they were just warming up. Wait till they realize what you really are.

  43. Matt,
    I’m so proud of you! Good for you! Shows what frikkin’ hypocrites liberal Dhimmicraps really are! (Free speech for me but no for thee…)

    As far as I’m concerned, most of today’s DNC belongs in a mental asylum. They’ve become really psychotic since the 2000 elections.

    I’d be willing to contribute to a mass handout of Stelazine at their convention this summer.

    Loons.

    G-d bless you, Matt (and Aaron!)

  44. As a lefty blogger I would like to apologize that any person related to the camp I am in laid hands on anyone in your camp.

    I am about as opposed to electing Bush as anyone you can find. I am also in favor of the First Amendment and the freedom of assembly. I’d even dislike your ilk being herded into “first Amendment” pens because you have the temerity to speak.

    Protest away, and may you be safe.

  45. I have to join the chorus of lefties who’ve found their way here via David Niewert and Winston. Heated debates, sore feelings, and animosity are pretty par for the course between the political poles, but there’s no justification for the assault you and your brother experienced. I know my condemnation of their actions doesn’t carry much weight on a grand scale, but there it is. Good to know you and your brother got out of it okay, and here’s lookin’ forward to a day in the future when I can share a beer with ya over fiery discourse.

    cheers,
    c

  46. Ah, more crushing of dissent from “inclusive” Democrats. Geez, you support a guy who gives you more of your own money back, bravely takes the fight to the terrorists in their own backyards, and liberates 24 million people, and this is the thanks you get. What a country.

    Props to the lefties who came out to condemn this behavior.

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  48. To Seth, Anna, Scorpio, thank you for being voices of reason. I’m just another conservative poster, but I really appreciate your response, especially after reading the astounding responses that “A Small Victory” (# 49. ) came across. May both sides protest in peace.

    JimParkey wrote:

    Ironic that republicans cry fould over censorship. Remember Ari Fleischer telling people to watch what they say and do after 9/11?

    First, the issue isn’t exactly censorship, it’s a couple of members on the left using violence to stifle free speech. Second, were you by any chance reminded of Fleischer’s remarks by a recent Paul Krugman column in the NY Times? It’s discussed by Pejmanesque in context, and you may find it interesting.

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  50. I would like to thank all the liberal commenters here who have come out to condemn the actions of the unions workers who attacked my group. I myself will be the first to condemn equivalent behavior of the far right. Being in Massachusetts, I am used to hostile reactions to my conservative / pro-Bush positions. I certainly do know that this behavior is not typical of either side. There was a small number of reasonable liberals there who did not speak highly of the union workers either – these were the people I can have a real and reasonable debate with.

    Sometimes people can argue until their blue in the face, and sometimes they can just agree to disagree. It is unfortunate however that some people could care less about debate and care more about telling everyone that they are right and you wrong, and will go to any extreme because of that.

    I’m a talker, a debater – not a fighter. fighting isn’t going to change peoples minds… it certainly didn’t change mine, it merely stengthen my convictions and inspired me to contribute more money to the Bush campaign.

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  52. Hey, Matt, we’re sorry. We just got a little carried away because your man Bush wrecked the economy, took away all the public works projects that provide our jobs and gave the money to his rich cronies with his tax cut, is trying to take away our overtime pay and basically does everything he can to screw the working man.
    Oh yeah, and he tells them to “bring it on,” and when they bring it on and our kids and brothers get killed, he makes a joke about missing WMD.

    But hey, we’re sorry. Come on down to the Cornerstone on Broadway in Southie. We’ll buy you the first beer. Make sure you wear your Bush/Cheney button.

  53. WORDS do not merit VIOLENCE. Doesn’t matter what the words are, or how righteous the ape thinks his anger is.

    Anybody who attacks other people for SAYING WORDS he doesn’t like is a danger to society, and he should be locked up. If he wants to behave like a rabid dog, then he should be treated like one.

    Such a person is worse than a rabid dog, though — because he is more than just a physical threat to other members of society. He is a threat to Freedom, and to the Constitution itself.

    This “Union worker” is a TRAITOR to the principles upon which this country was founded. He obviously does not believe in any right to Freedom of Speech (except for people who agree with him), nor does he believe that people have a right to Peaceful Assembly.

    And he is willing to initiate violence to prevent you from exercising either right.

    He is just one goose-step away from a Nazi brown shirt, burning books and smashing store windows.

  54. Reading about your experience with the violent left reminds me of an incident which ocurred a year ago here in Reykjavík, Iceland. It was around the time when the UN Security Council was debating whether to sanction the invasion of Iraq and tempers were steaming among the lunatic left here in Iceland.

    A group of them gathered in front of the offices of the Prime Minister to protest the support the our government was giving to the US in the matter. A couple of kids, maybe 12 years old, showed up with amusing “Nuke Saddam” signs and paraded them in front of the commies. It was obvious to everyone who witnessed it (I only saw it on TV) that they were only trying to be funny, but that didn’t stop one man, at least twice their age, to rip the signs from their hands and beating them upside the head with them!

    Not only did this one individual think it was ok to beat up twelve year old kids for holding up signs to which he objected, but none of the other fifty or so protesters did anything to stop the beating once it had started!

    Of course this is all just anectdotal but I think the increasing militancy of the left is a phenomenon that affects the whole of Western society, not only the US.

    And at least you guys are allowed to purchase and own handguns for your protection in case the violence gets more severe. I have to rely on my double-barreled hunting shotgun.

    Sorry for the long rant, and I hope you are feeling better after your ordeal. I wish you all the best in your efforts and you should know that there are Europeans out there who are immeasurably grateful for what your country is doing for the protection of all of us and who also hope for four more years (albeit the Bush/Rice ticket would be more to my liking:)

  55. She Who Will Be Obeyed!

  56. Hey, Matt, we’re sorry. We just got a little carried away because your man Bush wrecked the economy, took away all the public works projects that provide our jobs and gave the money to his rich cronies with his tax cut, is trying to take away our overtime pay and basically does everything he can to screw the working man.

    Please explain to us how Bush is wrecking the economy? I appreciate your sentiments re: what happened to Matt (and I thank you) but are just regurgitating what your union bosses tell you? Don’t you listen to the news? The economy is growing (4+ % last quarter)unemployment is as low (or high, depending on how you’re looking at it) as it was under Clinton, and yet you guys are acting like it’s the coming of the next Great Depression! Get a f**king grip!

    My husband and I make under $100k and we were able to save $ under Bush’s policies to pay off a lot of our debts. Now this gives us more free money to buy things and strengthen the economy thus securing jobs for the likes of YOU.

    Remember too it was your golden boy Klinton who signed NAFTA. But as usual, you union types don’t question your Democrat masters and go dutifully along, supporting their candidacies much to your peril.

  57. It sounds to me like the Boston Union guy was being a bit sarcastic, and wants us to go down to southie so they can continue what they so poorly started…

    Sorry, boston union guy, how could you expect us to trust you, or any spineless union prick from this point on…

  58. I am a liberal, and think that sort of violence is unquestionably not the sort of thing I would like to see in my compatriots. Just because someone provokes violence verbally does not mean you have to give into the urge. Just walk away.

  59. She Who Will Be Obeyed!

  60. Not so Timmy, you’re side’s got the patent on name calling.

    As for me, I accept responsibility for my life and my actions. Something that is well beyond the maturity of a second grader. Something that most of you on the Left lack.

    So if Matt & Aaron “deserve” this, next time I see one of you pricks burning my flag, or disrespecting my President, you’re getting my nail studded 2×4.

    After, you will have asked for it, right?

    Now go run off and finish your giant puppet for the next Bush=Hitler rally.

  61. Well, the more I think of the incident, the less it surprises me. See, to leftists and other socialist swine, liberty means nothing more than being able to get away with violating others’ individual rights. Yes, there is a whining “liberal intellectual” in the forefront bleating about “tolerance”, “non-violence”, “love for fellow-man”, but behind him are brutes and thugs. They are the true heirs of the socialist “intellectual” tradition.

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  63. Obviously, you were asking for it. These poor, unemployed union workers took time out from their busy schedule of campaigning for Kerry and complaining about being unemployed to harangue the Shrub. Where’s your appreciation for their patriotic dissent?

  64. Matt. What you need is real training in hand to hand combat. The Marines do that very well. You can go down to any recruiting center in Boston and enlist. After basic and a tour in Iraq, you’ll be quite able to handle yourself against any union thug or scruffy-looking hippie.

    But you obvoiusly won’t do this. I wonder why.

  65. Jeez, Aaron, what makes you think I’m being sarcastic? There’s nothing we union guys love more than a bunch of young Republicans, blowing in from the suburbs, going to college and demonstrating for their man Bush. He’s showing strong leadership, doing away with overtime pay and other worker protections, and supporting our sons in the Marines by making sure they’re busy dodging bullets and rockets in Fallujah, not bored in their barracks in Camp Pendleton.

    By the way, when are we going to see the pictures of Matt’s bruised up face? He must have taken a real beating from the fuss that’s being made of it.

    Come on down to the Cornerstone.

  66. Union Guy. Don’t judge Matt too harshly. He mentioned in some other thread that the experience with the union thugs disturbed him so profoundly that merely blogging for Bush won’t be enough anymore.

    He’s stated that he’s enlisting in the Marine tomorrow. I disagree with his politics but I wish him the best of luck. Anybody who actually puts his body on the line and goes to Iraq has my respect.

    Kudos young Freeper warrior. And may you return home safely.

  67. Hey, boston union guy. You’re probably a shill, otherwise you’d point out how many of those priveleges were lost under the democrats, or how the democrats have been pushing anti-union policies for years now. After all your political camp prefers appeasment and capitulation to actually standing up for what’s right.

    Myself, I’m pretty ashamed about both you and the guy who attacked Matt. That’s said as an actual union member, IBEW.

    Kal

  68. the reactiosn from the left have been interesting. there’s been plenty of “he deserved it” kind of talk.. but there are some who do condemn the actions of the union thugs.. i’d like to believe the latter represent the majority of them..

  69. Yeah. Freepers are a peaceful lot…

    Now comes a fairly clear-cut case of a politically inspired assault by right-wingers on a gay man in Atlanta — in fact, it appears they drove all the way from at least Kansas to commit the crime.

    The assault — which included raping the man with a sawed-off broomstick and holding a knife up to his scrotum and threatening to cut it off — was in apparent retaliation for a LiveJournal post in which the victim, an Atlanta artist, depicted (through the wonders of Photoshop) George W. Bush as a Grand Dragon at a Klan rally. Using information they gathered from the Web, they stalked him and brutalized him into unconsiousness, leaving him for dead in an alley.

    A fellow named spatula at morons.org pieces together most of the details from the victim’s continuing LiveJournal posts:

    So they stalked him using information they gathered from LiveJournal, attacked him outside an Atlanta restaurant, cut his hand so as to inflict nerve damage (apparently to prevent him creating any more art their found offensive), sexually assaulted him with a sawed-off broom handle and left him naked and bloody in an alley.

    All this because they were so weak and pathetic that they just couldn’t cope with a Photoshopped jpeg image. And they had a gang of them against one small guy, hitting him over the head first so he couldn’t fight back.

    From what he could remember, authorities were able to locate a van that had been stolen from a used car lot in Topeka, Kansas in which [the victim’s] blood was found. If Topeka sounds familiar to you, it may be because that’s where Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church who bring us GodHatesFags.com are located. It’s far too early to say whether Phelps and his clan had anything to do with this assault, but detectives have found [the victim’s] name posted on several sites of similar ilk.

  70. Boston union guy is obviously so ill-informed he’s gone beyond ignorant. He can’t be doing too bad under the “horrible economy” we are in.. after all, he can spend an evening holding manufactured signs for a cause he is uneducated about, whines about how he works so hard for his money to feed wife and kid(s), and has plenty of time and $$ to afford internet service, and a computer.

  71. Aaron. You can get a computer at Walmart for 300 bucks and an ISP for 10 dollars a month. Holding a sign at a peace demo is free.

    What people really can’t afford in this “crummy economy” is a little luxury like health care or dental care for their kids.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3136522.stm

    “She had just moved into a new apartment outside Washington and was rushing to catch a taxi to work.

    “Instead of stepping on the steps, I stepped into the air. I took a dive off my porch,” she explained dryly as she waited for a doctor to put her leg in a cast.

    She fell more than a metre from the steps outside her apartment. She broke her ankle and damaged ligaments in her lower leg.

    Valerie now faces surgery and quickly mounting medical bills because she is one of the more than 43 million Americans without health insurance.”

  72. Hey, the reactions from the right are pretty interesting too. Push Ms. Heather at all and she’s threatening me with a nail-studded 2×4. Apparently, Ms. Heather forgets that she’s supposed to be tut-tutting political violence here, not threatening to inflict it. And what are you doing here anyway? Shouldn’t you be a good little wingnut girl and be barefoot and pregnant and cooking up some steak and potatoes for your manly wingnut master, just like Jeebus told you to do?

  73. It’s called making a point, little patchouli boy.

    No, I’m not given to violence, but I do believe in self defense. Push me or my friends I’ll push you back. Even harder. Matt is a friend, an honorable guy.

    For the record, I’m a forty year old professional woman. And yes, I’d love to have more babies and would gladly give up my career for my child. I’m not going to die wishing I had spent more time working. But thanks to pro-big Government piglets like you, I have to work to make ends meet due to our tax burden. (2 jobs)

    Oh, and you can knock it off with your anti-Christian bigotry, Klan-boy-hypocrite.

  74. Hey SWR: Your are RIGHT on healthcare. Unlike Kerry, I have a plan for affordable healthcare for all! I call it “Plan 99”, for obvious reasons.

    First, get lawyers out of the equation. 99% of any and all malpractice suits would go back into the system. Every trial lawyer would also be taxed at a 99% tax rate, with the proceeds going to health care.

    Second, the entertainment business would be taxed at the same 99% tax rate, and anyone making a living in that business, making above the average median US income, would also be taxed at a 99% rate. Any entertainer or entertainment company moving offshore (like them bad ol’ Re-publicans do) would be banned from doing business in the US.

    Sounds like private rooms and no co-pay to me!

  75. Ms Heather– In Romans 13:5-7 (NIV), Paul tells us, “Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”

    I think the Bible and you have a disagreement about government.

    Hell’s pretty hot, Heather.

  76. Good for you, Kal. You must be doing well as a contractor, to be a Republican.

    Again, I think it’s great that you college boys turn out for your man Bush. As I said, he keeps our men and women in uniform busy. Not like when I was in the Army, back when Ford and Carter were president.

    I notice you guys aren’t to vocal on that subject. Is it true that when these union guys attacked you shouted “Bring it on” like your hero and wardodging rolemodel?

  77. Tell me something, Cole… if our authorities are truly God’s servants, why do they continually tell us that we cannot acknowledge God?

    If we cannot acknowledge God, do any of His creations – such as Hell – even exist?

    Always funny to hear a leftist quoting the Bible.

  78. Silver Shark- first of all, I am having trouble following your argument… no real surprise there.

    Anyway, there weren’t any Christian governments in the Roman empire around the time Paul was preaching. What’s that tell you?

    And I have to note that its funny how you right-wing nuts always think you have a monopoly on being a Christian. I don’t think Jesus would approve.

  79. “I am having trouble following your argument… no real surprise there.”

    Self-deprecation will only get you so far with me. After that, you have to start actually being funny.

    The line was this:

    “…for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing…”

    The authorities in our cases are the elected officials and judges who, through their actions and rulings, constantly denigrate the name and very idea of God.

    I’m also pretty certain there weren’t anything but polytheist governments in the Roman empire during Paul’s day, as I’m fairly certain Christianity was still illegal in their eyes.

    Oh, and this right-wing nut knows that there’s no monopoly on Christianity by either side… having studied Catholicism for 12 years, you could make the argument that Roman Catholic leadership is Socialist in nature.

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  82. Hell’s pretty hot, Heather.

    No kidding, I’m sure it’s also got its share of blasphemers too, huh Timmy?
    Have you gotten your tactic of using Holy Scripture for political ends from JF Ketchup? (Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord, your God, in vain)

    I think you have the greater Sin, klan-man. Denial of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable Sin.

  83. Way back a couple of days ago 1 Hot Idoit er 1 Hot Dem stated:

    Hitler had his beliefs, just like Matt has his. Sometimes violence is the only way to show people how devastatingly bad their ideas are. When society is so distraught about policy that individuals feel the need to take violent action, revolution is not only expected, but neccessary. I’m no union man, but I’d have probably taken a swing at you too.

    Ok fair enough Dem. Hmmm let’s play a little word game shall we? (Not supporting the next paragraph in any way… Just following the 1 Hot Dem’s reasoning.)

    Hitler had his beliefs, just like the Democrats have. Sometimes violence is the only way to show people how devastatingly bad their ideas are. When society is so distraught about policies the Democrats support, such as abortion rights, that individuals feel the need to take violent action, revolution is not only expected, but neccessary. I’m no pro-life man, but I’d have probably taken a swing at you as you tried to escort a woman into that death clinic too.

    Hmmm in 1 Hot Dem’s world view union violence is ok, but I am guessing that pro-life violence would be bad.

    Gee thanks 1 Hot Dem for throwing your support behind abortion bombers. I mean that is your logical conclusion… Oh silly me Democrats aren’t logical creatures, my bad.

  84. boston union guy — (“BUG” — What an appropriate acronym.) Thanks for continuing to reinforce the ignorant union thug stereotype so consistently on this thread. I especially like how you slam “college boys” and ridicule anyone trying to get ahead by furthering their education. I definitely would vote for a hands-on man like you who thinks that ‘colledge is stoopid’ and for Republicans only. Oh, but could you explain to me why the vast majority of professors are so liberal? That seems inconsistent, but then I’m using that reasoning and logic I learned at school. Maybe you can enlighten me with your view–after your union-mandated break, naturally.

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  88. Dar, the contrast is between college “boys” supporting their blundering Bush and “men” in uniform, but that was too subtle for you. You see, I went to college on the GI Bill, not paid for by my rich parents.

    Now I’m going to take a break.

  89. that’s funny… you are implying that we are going to college because it’s paid for by our “rich parents”…

    if you only knew the hassles of dealing with financial aid, filling out FAFSA, etc.

    I’ll be paying off my student loans up until my own kids will be going to school.

    but not that you believe anything i say…

  90. come on, you can do better than that…

    admit you are 100% wrong in your assumption that my “Rich parents” pay my tuiton… go ahead… admit it… stop avoiding it.

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  92. Hey, Aaron, so you received aid from the government? Filling out FAFSA? You know, if you join the Army, you can get a lot of those loans forgiven, and you get the payments deferred for up to four years. Check it out: goarmy.com

  93. Hey boston union guy when are you going to stop being a union sheep? I mean come on you can make a living by not being tied to a union and as an added bonus you no longer have to pay union dues. Check it out: Any right to work state.

    Oh that’s right, you are incapable of making decisions concerning your own welfare. (I guess in your case it does take a village.) What’s the matter, “The Suits” constantly made a mockery of your negotiation skills when you tried to ask for a raise?

  94. Cold Fury

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  96. Isn’t it rather cute to see these laptop corporals complain about getting a few fists thrown in their general direction? You dittoheads are so eager for military action when it’s other people doing the bleeding and dying, but when you face a scuffle, your whine and cry like little pathetics. What can one say, except if the leftists are willing to give you the beatdown you so richly deserve, maybe they wouldn’t be so weak on defense after all.

  97. I completely agree. The cons base their war argument on having some balls to speak up and take action. Then some little blogger gets shoved and he goes home and cries to mommy. Why don’t you backup your argument even more and join the army if your so dedicated to this administration. Or you could join the national guard like Bush the pussy did.

  98. you disgrace the national guard just like the democrats do. why don’t leave this country you hate so much.

    No one went crying home to mommy. If you read the various accounts of the story, we stayed there to hold our signs, while the union pricks ran away. Who’s the pussy now?

    metaphorically speaking, we need to stick around stateside to fight the battle here. If Uncle Sam needs/wants me, I won’t be jumping a train to canada to avoid service.

  99. In bushes national guard days it was widely recognized that the ng was a way for rich kids to get out of military service.

    “metaphorically speaking, we need to stick around stateside to fight the battle here”

    Oh so the US needs your high brow intellectual web commentary. What would we do without you?

  100. I love the republican argument of “why don’t you leave this country if you hate it so much.” Do you realize the hypocrisy in what you are saying Aaron?

  101. Of course they don’t recognize the hypocrisy, eggdrop. Just like they’ve forgotten the fact that the war was sold on the fear of Saddam’s WMD, and his phony links to Al Qaeda — all now disproven. Or the irony that Al-Qaeda was not inside Iraq under Saddam, but it is now. They think that America is safer having lost 500+ citizen soldiers, and crippled thousands more.

    As Bush wins battles, Osama advances toward his strategic goals: Demonization of America as the enemy of Islam, isolation of America as an imperialist aggressor against Arab nations and the enabler of Sharon, and unification of Islam’s young behind bin Laden’s ultimate war aim: the expulsion of America from all Muslim lands.

    Says conservative icon, Patrick Buchanan.

  102. Of course either Matt or Aaron are going to say “but we freed an entire country.” They don’t understand that democracy takes years and years to develop. It is not so easily created by bombing the hell out of a country, and an arab one for that matter. A culture needs to adapt to democracy over time. But what the hell am I talking about. It’s not like that was our full intention.

  103. The American People and their Congress were never given the chance to decide if the liberation of a nation without WMD and without Al-Qaeda links was worth 500 citizens’ lives and a billion dollars a week for an unknown duration of occupation, all diverting precious resources away from the hunt for Osama. Instead, Bush terrorized the American People, and Congress, with talk of mushroom clouds over US cities.

  104. Me thinks this will be a real nasty year…

    Canada is starting to look very attractive!

    And, folks, let’s face it, violence begets violence….

  105. I completely agree. The cons base their war argument on having some balls to speak up and take action. Then some little blogger gets shoved and he goes home and cries to mommy.

    Yeah, you’re real brave sitting there behind your mommy’s skirt, sniffing her farts, chickenshit. Don’t suppose you’d have the balls to say that to anyone’s face yourself, would you, dickweed?

  106. “Lord Spatula the First”? “Dickweed”? Do your parents know you’re playing with the family computer?

  107. No wonder you support the war Lord Spatula. You are too much of a fatass to get up and actually do something. I figured from your language that you were around 15 or 16 but your picture tells otherwise. Keep your dumbass vocabulary in Texas with all the other drunken, coke-sniffing, english language murdering, racist, homophobic, right-wing idiots.

  108. when liberals know they have lost, they resort to name calling…

    we always we knew we were right, now we know that they know we are right.

  109. Aaron. Didn’t Lord Spatula just use the terms “dickweed,” and “chickenshit.” Hipocrisy again!. Im not speaking for lord fatass but both seemed to be using foul language.

  110. Aaron. Didn’t Lord Spatula just use the terms “dickweed,” and “chickenshit.” Hipocrisy again!. Im not speaking for lord fatass but both seemed to be using foul language.

    Both of you bastards can come say it to my face.

    5330 Bent Tree Forest Dr,#712
    Dallas, TX

    Bring Glitch-ass and your Boston Union Fairy with you, too. We’ll see how quickly you can turn your cowardly little asses around and run home to mommy, little chickenshit motherfuckers.

    C’mon, I dare you.

  111. “Lord Spatula the First”? “Dickweed”? Do your parents know you’re playing with the family computer?

    Big talk behind your mommy’s skirt, right, chickenshit?

    You’d piss your pants if you ever had to say that to my face, coward.

  112. Aaron I think spatula is kindof disproving everything you have said including all previous posts in this thread. I think you better calm him down so that we can engage in some sort of meaningful discussion. It sounds like he’s about to have a heart attack or something.

  113. Aaron. Didn’t Lord Spatula just use the terms “dickweed,” and “chickenshit.” Hipocrisy again!. Im not speaking for lord fatass but both seemed to be using foul language.

    This after you just got through calling Bush a “pussy”.

    Fuck off, you little chickenshit son-of-a-bitch. You’re nothing but a punk-ass bitch who can’t back up his big talk. You’re sub-absolute-zero, chump.

  114. This is something that Ann Coulter would do. Have her point disproven then change the subject thinking that no one noticed.

  115. This is something that Ann Coulter would do. Have her point disproven

    Except you haven’t disproven anything, dumb fuck. Except what a chickenshit you are. Backing down now that your manhood is being challenged, aren’t you, coward?

  116. Spatula. Explain to me all the positive points of having Bush as our president without the help of Aaron.

  117. Sure, I’ll take a few days off my high-paying job, travel deep into the heart of flyover country, and beat up a ten-year old: not. We bring facts and logic to the discussion and Team Bush answers by pushing an angry pre-pubescent before us, furiously typing insults before he gets bored, grabs a Coke, and watches WB. Kid, when your voice drops, and you’ve read more than five books that weren’t assigned by a school teacher, then you can play with us.

  118. Spatula. Explain to me all the positive points of having Bush as our president without the help of Aaron

    1. It pisses you liberal shitheads off. Best one of all.
    2. Turned around Das Klintonreich’s recession and got the economy going again.
    3. Liberated two countries being oppressed by people and groups you assholes loved – the Taliban and Hussein.
    4. Interns can breathe easy.

    For starters. Sucks to be you, heh? (snicker)

  119. Spatula. Explain to me all the positive points of having Bush as our president without the help of Aaron.

    My husband just got a $100/week raise–he’s a jeweler. (not exactly a white collar job)

    Matt,

    Pew! I was wondering what the awful smell was in here! Now I see-it’s LLL troll spewage.

    Better get some industrial strength cleanser in here.

  120. Sure, I’ll take a few days off my high-paying job, travel deep into the heart of flyover country, and beat up a ten-year old: not.

    Hey, all you had to do was admit that you are a fuckin’ coward and don’t have the balls to face me – but I’ll take this.

    Thanks, nancy-boy.

  121. Um Glitchy,

    Let me remind you-it’s Matt’s blog, it’s Matt’s dime. You come in here insulting the President, expect to get the same courtesy handed back to you.

  122. Sure, I’ll take a few days off my high-paying job, travel deep into the heart of flyover country, and beat up a ten-year old: not.

    Hmmmm…I’m guessing a college professorship, a union job, or a government job.

    Which one is it?

  123. Mme Spatula’s zingers are completely disgusting — so much so, that if there are any children or sensitive people reading this letter, I suggest that they stop now and not read what I am about to describe. Before I start, however, I should state that to understand what Spatula’s particularly disloyal form of corporatism has encompassed as a movement and as a system of rule, we have to look at its historical context and development as a form of disruptive politics that first arose in early twentieth-century Europe in response to rapid social upheaval, the devastation of World War I, and the Bolshevik Revolution. Vindictive hoodlums are intrigued and puzzled by her amalgam of frowzy interventionism and crotchety paternalism — a tangled web of KKK, Freudian, encounter-therapy, populist, Ayn Rand-like, and Marxist notions — period. If I seem a bit disrespectful, it’s only because I’m trying to communicate with her on her own level. Spatula is extraordinarily brazen. We’ve all known that for a long time. However, her willingness to glorify the things that everyone else execrates sets a new record for brazenness. I would like to close by saying that the Mme Spatula-ization of our political and spiritual lives will relabel millions of people as “hateful” by the end of the decade.

  124. I would like to close by saying that the Mme Spatula-ization of our political and spiritual lives will relabel millions of people as “hateful” by the end of the decade.

    And I will say again, Lady Fuckhead – come say it to my face and let’s see what it gets you, coward.

    You’re reeeeeeeeeeal brave when no one knows where you are, aren’t you, assmunch?

  125. I wanted to respond to Mme Spatula earlier, but I was so busy, I simply did not have the time. Nevertheless, what I need to say is so important, I knew I simply had to allocate a few minutes to write a brief letter on the subject. Before I launch into my main topic, I want to make a few matters crystal clear: 1) we have our work cut out for us, and 2) as a result of that, Spatula’s off-the-cuff comments are merely a sideshow exhibit in the circus of neocolonialism. Now that you know where I stand on those issues, I can safely say that self-indulgent ratbags must be treated with political justice, not with civil justice, as they are unmistakably not real citizens. But that’s not all: If you intend to challenge someone’s assertions, you need to present a counterargument. She provides none. You know what? We must stick to the facts and offer only those arguments that can be supported by those facts. Our children depend on that. Pernicious ragamuffinesses thrive on hatred rather than love. If you find that fact distressing then you should help me stop Spatula’s encroachments on our heritage. Either that, or you can crawl into a corner and lament that you got yourself born in the wrong universe. Don’t expect your sobbing to do much good, however, because I have absolutely no idea why Spatula makes such a big fuss over antagonism. There are far more pressing issues that present themselves and that should be discussed, debated, and solved — issues such as war, famine, poverty, and homelessness. There is also the lesser issue that my current plan is to burn away social illness, exploitation, and human suffering. Yes, she will draw upon the most powerful fires of Hell to tear that plan asunder, but if you read between the lines of her opinions, you’ll indubitably find that her intimates believe that “people don’t mind having their communities turned into war zones.” First off, that’s a lousy sentence. If they had written that a complete description of the problems with Spatula’s magic-bullet explanations would occupy several volumes, then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, Spatula has nothing but contempt for you, and you don’t even know it. That’s why I feel obligated to inform you that relative to just a few years ago, homophobic fomenters of revolution are nearly ten times as likely to believe that skin color means more than skill and gender is more impressive than genius. This is neither a coincidence nor simply a sign of the times. Rather, it reflects a sophisticated, psychological warfare program designed by Spatula to undermine liberty in the name of liberty. I could be wrong about any or all of this, but at the moment, the above fits what I know of history, people, and current conditions. If anyone sees anything wrong or has some new facts or theories on this, I’d love to hear about them.

  126. All the jobs that bush promised did not exactly come to light by a looong shot. Almost all of my class that graduated from college did not have a job a year later. The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are not exactly peaceful and are far from being resolved. The rest of your points were meaningless insults.

    Ms Heather. Im curious as to weather the wealthy getting more tax breaks has something to do with an increase in the purchase of jewels.

  127. Eggdrop,

    I just look at it this way–this is my husband’s livelihood. If the “wealthy” didn’t have the extra $$$, the shop would close, and my husband would be hard pressed to find another job. We’d have to move and live away from my family-which is important to us, being we’re parents of a 5 year old.

  128. My point is that republicans believe that tax cuts to the rich will allow them to spend more thus stimilating the economy. This is obviously not true. The rich do not spend money on low level products that would help out communities. They buy shit like jewels and expensive cars!!

  129. All the jobs that bush promised did not exactly come to light by a looong shot. Almost all of my class that graduated from college did not have a job a year later.

    Bush isn’t your daddy. And job creation is up to business, not government. All Bush can do is propose incentives, such as tax cuts, for businesses to hire – he can’t snap his fingers and make the jobs suddenly appear.

    And neither can John F’n KetchupA$$, if you must know. His “10 million jobs in four years” line is pure bullshit.

    The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are not exactly peaceful and are far from being resolved.

    We never declared the war to be over, if you’ve noticed. Just the major combat ops – and (surprise, surprise!!!) I disagreed with Bush doing that. What we should be doing right now is carpet-bombing those terrorist mini-bases from whence they’re launching these RPG attacks and such. The fight’s not over until the enemy has either surrendered or died, period.

    The rest of your points were meaningless insults.

    Yeah, listen to you whine. You can dish it out, but you can’t take it, is that what you’re saying?

  130. Lord Fatass won’t show up here anymore. Once i come in he runs away because ive kicked his ass 1000s of times on other threads. i love unions! im a union person myself. i think i will give extra union dues this year since unions beat up facists in boston!

    did you hear franken hell kick rushs fatass! hell double rushs ratings by friday!

  131. The rich do not spend money on low level products that would help out communities. They buy shit like jewels and expensive cars!!

    Thus providing jobs for the jewelry and luxury car industry, thus money to spend on housing, groceries, fuel for vehicles, thus providing jobs for those industries…who the Hell&#153 taught you economics? Tell me so I can avoid that moron.

  132. I would rather see incentives for the middle class to start businesses. Since bush gives breaks to places like Walmart though I don’t think that will happen.

  133. Although, ultimately, you will need to make up your own mind about Lord Spatula, I have a number of things to say that you may find useful. First off, unlike Spatula, when I make a mistake I’m willing to admit it. Consequently, if — and I’m bending over backwards to maintain the illusion of “innocent until proven guilty” — he were not actually responsible for trying to bamboozle people into believing that clericalism can quell the hatred and disorder in our society, then I’d stop saying that Spatula is indeed up to something. I don’t know exactly what, but he keeps saying that his complaints epitomize wholesome family entertainment. Isn’t that claim getting a little shopworn? I mean, even his hatchet men are afraid that he will destabilize society within a short period of time. I have seen their fear manifested over and over again, and it is further evidence that Spatula has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter. If Spatula wants to ignore compromise and focus solely on his personal agenda, let him wear the opprobrium of that decision. Assume for a moment that he masterminded last year’s now-infamous attempt to descend to character assassination and name calling. It therefore follows that either he has no real conception of the sweep of history, or he is merely intent on winning some debating pin by trying to pierce a hole in my logic with “facts” that are taken out of context. If Spatula is going to make an emotional appeal, then he should also include a rational argument. My point may be made clearer by use of an allegorical tale. Suppose a hypothetical group of three people is standing in a room. One of those people realizes that Spatula’s claim of fairness is demonstrably false. Another goes on and on about Spatula’s headstrong zingers. But the third can’t understand why Spatula’s silly, militant Ponzi schemes may have serious repercussions, even beyond the issue of snobbism. In this hypothetical situation, it should be obvious that I once overheard Spatula say something quite astonishing. Are you strapped in? Spatula said that his off-the-cuff comments enhance performance standards, productivity, and competitiveness. Can you believe that? At least his statement made me realize that his policies are an icon for the deterioration of the city, for its slow slide into crime, malaise, and filth. Lord Spatula is a scion of self-righteous prigs. That’s all I have to say. Thank you for reading this letter.

  134. Unions are the backbone of this country! the first two letter of unions are UN! even with kerry destroying shrub and the dems retaking congress i think the un should be the principal rule heer and the world!

  135. If Spatula wants to ignore compromise and focus solely on his personal agenda, let him wear the opprobrium of that decision. Assume for a moment that he

    Y’know Lord Fuckface, I’ve an idea. Why don’t you just drop the long-winded, nonsensical bullshit and just admit that you’re a coward?

    Be a lot easier, y’know.

  136. I would rather see incentives for the middle class to start businesses.

    Why can’t we do both? Why does it have to be “either/or”?

    And if you want to encourage the middle-class to start their own businesses – which, I might point out, already account for 99% of all businesses and 60% of all American workers according to this cite – then how about giving them a break and holding the minimum wage where it is, or maybe even dropping it some so that more workers can be hired? Wages represents one of the, if not the biggest expenses for small business today – could they not even have a break on that? Is it possible that people don’t open their own businesses because they’re afraid that paying high forced wages would bankrupt them?

    Since bush gives breaks to places like Walmart though I don’t think that will happen.

    Walmart employs people, too – a good many of them. But for those tax breaks, they might not employ so many.

  137. Why does every fucking yankee have to use such big words.

    Well, well, well. Lookit the coward posting in my name. Sucks to be him, so he wants to be me. Awwwwwwww, isn’t that sweet…?

    Matt, I think you know what to do with the little chickenshit…

  138. Friends, countrymen, people who hate Lord Spatula, lend me your ears; I come to bury Spatula, not to praise him. In the first place, I feel that writing this letter is like celestial navigation. Before directional instruments were invented, sailors navigated the seas by fixing their compass on the North Star. But if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I’d be no less ignorant than Spatula. Even if avaricious hatemongers join his band with the best of intentions, they will still meddle in everyone else’s affairs sooner or later. Not all, I hasten to add, do join with the best of intentions. Spatula is the type of person that turns up his nose at people like you and me. I guess that’s because we haven’t the faintest notion about the things that really matter, such as why it would be good for him to produce nothing but filth. Last summer, I attempted what I knew would be a hopeless task. I tried to convince Spatula that the underlying reasons and causes for his amateurish orations must be defined, examined, and resolved, or they’ll never cease. As I expected, Spatula was unconvinced. The only way out of Lord Spatula’s rat maze is to improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society — the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth — all of whose lives are made miserable by Lord Spatula. It’s that simple.

  139. All the jobs that bush promised did not exactly come to light by a looong shot. Almost all of my class that graduated from college did not have a job a year later.

    Er, what kind of jobs were they looking for? Were they expecting to make the big bucks right off the bat and not willing to “work up the ladder”?

  140. I would rather see incentives for the middle class to start businesses.

    My husband’s boss IS a middle class small business owner.

    To whoever the loon is who stated “rich people” shouldn’t buy expensive stuff like “jewelery and expensive cars”–I fell out of my chair laughing at that one. If you saw the shop my hubby works at, it’s not exactly “upper class”. His evil, KKKapitalist boss would just rather spend the $$$ on giving his employees great wages. (out of his own free will)

  141. Look at this! The moonbat chimps have come to play! Let’s see we got a Mr. fatass and Dum Yeah the sandwich monkey. I’ll scroll through the bloviating and get up to speed.

  142. Quite a little catfight we got here. I got a few things to say:

    1. If the left really wants to settle this in the streets, there’s plenty of folks on the right who’d be willing to settle this in the streets. So the idjit who said, “Sometimes violence is the only way to show people how devastatingly bad their ideas are,” may discover while that’s not such a good idea, you know, here in civilization.

    2. Lord Fatass I says: “The only way out of Lord Spatula’s rat maze is to improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society – the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth – all of whose lives are made miserable by Lord Spatula. It’s that simple.” Spatula, I want you to immediately stop making miserable the sick, the disabled, the unemployed and our youth. I had no idea what you were up to in your spare time, but it’s time to stop.

  143. Spatula, I want you to immediately stop making miserable the sick, the disabled, the unemployed and our youth. I had no idea what you were up to in your spare time, but it’s time to stop.

    Aw, maaaaaaaannnnnnnnn!!! Killjoy!!! 🙂

  144. Spatula are you being mean again?!?!

    The same people, who rage against the removal of dictators, and stand up for violence (as long as they say its ok) cry foul when someone is mean to them on a web site. Irony anyone?

  145. Lord Fatass; I believe your logic is as poor as your understanding of navigation. Mariners did not “fix their compasses to the north star”; the strength of Polaris’ magnetic field is not measurable on Earth.Rather, the south magnetic pole of the compass is attracted to Earth’s magnetic north.

    Considering your poor navigational skills, it’s no wonder you couldn’t escape Lord Spat’s maze.

    It should be pretty obvious MiLord Spatula has no interest in making all those people miserable. He onle wants to make you miserable.

  146. My point is that republicans believe that tax cuts to the rich will allow them to spend more thus stimilating the economy. This is obviously not true. The rich do not spend money on low level products that would help out communities. They buy shit like jewels and expensive cars!!

    And my point is that you’re a fucking idiot who’s knowlege of economics is squat! Who do you think cuts those jewels, you stupid shit? Who do you think sells those jewels, you asswipe? Who do you think runs the stores that those jewels are sold in, you fucking dolt? Who cleans the store that sells those jewels, you mindless sack of shit? Do you have even the slightest comprehension of the number of jobs tied in to selling “expensive cars”? No, you’re a brainless bloviating fucknozzle who would rather drink the kool-aid and whine about mean conservatives than actually get off your fat ignorant ass and do something for yourself. Jeebus, you’re a fucking idiot! If you want to argue, why don’t you finish the 3rd grade before you come here and expose the fact that you’re nothing but a brainless bitch!

  147. Hey matt its Mason, remember me? I dont like you and I know you dont like me, but i just wanted to let you know that i’m not as “liberal” as you think…… The main thing that alienates me from the liberal crowd is abortion…. I’m opposed to it, except in 3 circumstances in cases of rape, incest, or if thereis a health risk to the mother and/or fetus…… In every other possible circumstance i find abortion both unethical, and find the pro -“choice” crowd to be cretins, primarily because having sex is itself a choice . those who say that they are for reproductive choice fail to realize that for those women who seek abortions the choice s already made and now they must deal with it….

  148. Don’t you just love the lefties who preach peace and then come here and say Matt got what he deserved. You can cut the hypocisy with a knife.

  149. I’m just pissed they didn’t kick your ass into a coma then the web would be less polluted with garbage

  150. Random Nuclear Strikes

  151. Wow comparing Al Gores speech yrsterday to any of George Bush’s speech’s is like comparing a college graduate (Gore) to a intelligently challenged third grader talk (Bush)

    One spoke the truth (Gore) The other just baables more & more lies each time he opens his smirking mouth!

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